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	<title>Comments on: Sticks and Stones, Public Shaming, and LULZ</title>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.erelevant.net/2008/12/06/sticks-and-stones-public-shaming-and-lulz/comment-page-1/#comment-73270</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confusionist:  Thanks for the thoughtful comment.  I agree that a healthy measure of parental involvement is really necessary for introducing kids to the internet.  At the same time, I wonder if something else is missing.  Something like empathy and emotional sensitivity that needs functional families and IRL relationships to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confusionist:  Thanks for the thoughtful comment.  I agree that a healthy measure of parental involvement is really necessary for introducing kids to the internet.  At the same time, I wonder if something else is missing.  Something like empathy and emotional sensitivity that needs functional families and IRL relationships to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Confusionist</title>
		<link>http://www.erelevant.net/2008/12/06/sticks-and-stones-public-shaming-and-lulz/comment-page-1/#comment-73115</link>
		<dc:creator>Confusionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young person myself who has spent a lot of time on sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica, I am both relieved and disappointed to see this discourse.

Relieved because the lulz is something you have to look at if you want to understand what&#039;s going on online, and it seemed that everyone over 30 was completely ignorant.

Disappointed because of the naive optimism, &quot;ooh, youth culture, let&#039;s be tolerant and understanding.&quot; Lurk around ED and 4chan a little more, and you&#039;ll find a few kids who explain what brought them to their nihilism. Usually it&#039;s what they were exposed to online when they were younger, horrible things that they saw when they were far too young to handle them. You&#039;ll find that when it comes down to it, a lot of young people who are part of this culture resent having been exposed to the horrors of the net way too early.

Now tell me how you&#039;re going to stop this situation without turning the whole internet into a virtual police state. It&#039;s not gonna happen. So here&#039;s a shocker: as a kid myself (college), I suggest a simple solution: just DON&#039;T GIVE KIDS UNSUPERVISED INTERNET ACCESS whatsoever until they&#039;re old enough to handle it. You know, sometime in the teens, certainly not at 10, 11. Fact is, the internet is a powerful tool, and when you put any powerful tool in the hands of children who are by definition immature, you get bad results. Would you hand an AK-47 to your 10-year old? No? Do you think the Internet is less powerful than guns? No? These days, kids question the maturity of their parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young person myself who has spent a lot of time on sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica, I am both relieved and disappointed to see this discourse.</p>
<p>Relieved because the lulz is something you have to look at if you want to understand what&#8217;s going on online, and it seemed that everyone over 30 was completely ignorant.</p>
<p>Disappointed because of the naive optimism, &#8220;ooh, youth culture, let&#8217;s be tolerant and understanding.&#8221; Lurk around ED and 4chan a little more, and you&#8217;ll find a few kids who explain what brought them to their nihilism. Usually it&#8217;s what they were exposed to online when they were younger, horrible things that they saw when they were far too young to handle them. You&#8217;ll find that when it comes down to it, a lot of young people who are part of this culture resent having been exposed to the horrors of the net way too early.</p>
<p>Now tell me how you&#8217;re going to stop this situation without turning the whole internet into a virtual police state. It&#8217;s not gonna happen. So here&#8217;s a shocker: as a kid myself (college), I suggest a simple solution: just DON&#8217;T GIVE KIDS UNSUPERVISED INTERNET ACCESS whatsoever until they&#8217;re old enough to handle it. You know, sometime in the teens, certainly not at 10, 11. Fact is, the internet is a powerful tool, and when you put any powerful tool in the hands of children who are by definition immature, you get bad results. Would you hand an AK-47 to your 10-year old? No? Do you think the Internet is less powerful than guns? No? These days, kids question the maturity of their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.erelevant.net/2008/12/06/sticks-and-stones-public-shaming-and-lulz/comment-page-1/#comment-71610</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting book, although I think most folks who already have a sense of moral integrity off-line aren&#039;t as likely to engage in the most potentially harmful online shaming.  Unless, of course, their off-line beliefs include the process of public shaming and norm enforcement as an integral part of living a moral life.  

In general, I&#039;m more concerned about the moral relativists or nihilists who use their pseudo-philosophy or sense of superiority/entitlement to engage in damaging behavior.  (Here&#039;s a comic for amusing illustration: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1127 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting book, although I think most folks who already have a sense of moral integrity off-line aren&#8217;t as likely to engage in the most potentially harmful online shaming.  Unless, of course, their off-line beliefs include the process of public shaming and norm enforcement as an integral part of living a moral life.  </p>
<p>In general, I&#8217;m more concerned about the moral relativists or nihilists who use their pseudo-philosophy or sense of superiority/entitlement to engage in damaging behavior.  (Here&#8217;s a comic for amusing illustration: <a href="http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&#038;id=1127" rel="nofollow">http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&#038;id=1127</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Levi Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.erelevant.net/2008/12/06/sticks-and-stones-public-shaming-and-lulz/comment-page-1/#comment-71609</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting book, called Virtual Integrity.
This article was posted by Covenant Eyes, Inc.
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Across the United States and around the world, people are talking about Daniel Lohrmann&#039;s new book,&quot;Virtual Integrity — Faithfully Navigating the Brave New Web.&quot;

An award winning security expert, Lohrmann is the chief information security officer for the state of Michigan and he directs the state&#039;s Office of Enterprise Security. Among other honors, this sought after speaker was named the 2008 Chief Security Officer of the Year by SC magazine and one of the 25 most influential people in the security industry by Security magazine.


So, what is Lohrmann&#039;s biggest concern about the Internet today? It&#039;s not identity theft. 


His greatest concern is what he calls &quot;integrity theft.&quot; 


He says that when people surf the web they face temptations where they allow their integrity to be stolen one piece at a time. These temptations vie for thoughts, dreams, time and money, and he challenges people to surf their values.


Lohrmann tackles a of variety topics that can change how families use the Internet, and he gives helpful answers to problems with Web filters and parental controls. Plus, he provides practical tips for following his &quot;seven habits of online integrity.&quot; 


&quot;Virtual Integrity&quot; is a must read for every home, and Lohrmann makes this often confusing topic an easy read by writing in everyday language. And though it offers a sober dose of reality, &quot;Virtual Integrity&quot; delivers a hopeful vision to empower people and families to begin surfing their values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting book, called Virtual Integrity.<br />
This article was posted by Covenant Eyes, Inc.<br />
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Across the United States and around the world, people are talking about Daniel Lohrmann&#8217;s new book,&#8221;Virtual Integrity — Faithfully Navigating the Brave New Web.&#8221;</p>
<p>An award winning security expert, Lohrmann is the chief information security officer for the state of Michigan and he directs the state&#8217;s Office of Enterprise Security. Among other honors, this sought after speaker was named the 2008 Chief Security Officer of the Year by SC magazine and one of the 25 most influential people in the security industry by Security magazine.</p>
<p>So, what is Lohrmann&#8217;s biggest concern about the Internet today? It&#8217;s not identity theft. </p>
<p>His greatest concern is what he calls &#8220;integrity theft.&#8221; </p>
<p>He says that when people surf the web they face temptations where they allow their integrity to be stolen one piece at a time. These temptations vie for thoughts, dreams, time and money, and he challenges people to surf their values.</p>
<p>Lohrmann tackles a of variety topics that can change how families use the Internet, and he gives helpful answers to problems with Web filters and parental controls. Plus, he provides practical tips for following his &#8220;seven habits of online integrity.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Virtual Integrity&#8221; is a must read for every home, and Lohrmann makes this often confusing topic an easy read by writing in everyday language. And though it offers a sober dose of reality, &#8220;Virtual Integrity&#8221; delivers a hopeful vision to empower people and families to begin surfing their values.</p>
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